I don’t know how to title this…

[Juttle]

In My Daddy's Belly: The story of a Transgender Dad giving Birth : Brown, Logan, Bigger Picture Books: Amazon.co.uk: Books

In My Daddy's Belly: The story of a Transgender Dad giving Birth : Brown, Logan, Bigger Picture Books: Amazon.co.uk: Books

www.amazon.co.uk

OK, so two male parents are bringing up children and have been for ages, nothing wrong with that, but isn’t this trying to teach kids that “daddies” can get pregnant?

 

[Saint-Just]

A transgender dad is a woman if I am not mistaken. So potentially the child has 2 "mothers", his birth mother and another one which may or may not be a woman.

 

[Jaggededge]

Men are from mars, women are from venus. The rest are from uranus.

 

[Juttle]

It’s me reading it wrong, isn’t it? Possibly not the best expression to use, but what a dickhead!

 

[Jaggededge]

The worlds gone to shit. Bring back the 70s.

 

[MaC]

I don't struggle with family, the wish to make a family.

I struggle with the demand that a man can live like a woman to the extent that they demand gynocological services to 'validate' their femininity, have access to areas where vulnerable women feel safe, etc., compete on any even footing with female athletes, and I struggle most with the reality that saying this is apparently so horrendously offensive that it deserves every social opprobrium, stalking, bullying and character defamation possible.

This leads to a divide that is becoming entrenched, that has no softening, no courtesy, no respect and no tolerance for any other view.

I think it's a very fan fiction driven agenda, and I think it's not really doing the individuals who are actually 'transgender' any great kindness, I think the support is fickle, and on shaky ground.
I think the whipped up frenzy against academics, researchers, authors, etc., is increasingly strident as the aggressive postulants realise that most folks just don't care, and if anything are of the mind that it's just all rather odd.

Truthfully I feel sorry for the children who are caught in the middle of it all.
All their lives they're going to 'have to explain' their family dynamics, when such a thing ought to be quiet and private and just what it is.

M

 

[5teep]

I think, if you want to live as a woman or a man or a donkey I will respect that, I will even use the pronoun of your choice.
I also think as Mac does that whatever your choice of gender, taking medical services away from somebody who has a genuine need just to make you feel good about yourself is not acceptable.

 

[Beachlover]

Climate destruction, fossil fuels, overpopulation, coruption, poverty, wars and genocide, epidemic diseases and that’s just to name a few things really worth addressing.
Having just had this very conversation with my window cleaner, we decided that the whole gender thing is pretty much at the bottom of any list of real issues faced by today’s world and agreed that as long as another human being is a decent one who treats those around them decently, with compassion and understanding that neither of us care a fig whether they pretend to be the opposite gender to their genes or even claim to be a chicken.
The real issue is exactly the same one that faces every group in society in that any and every group contains egocentric, publicity and attention seeking loons. Gender is just flavour of the month for now and attracts other nutjobs from other marginal groups that undermine the cause of any genuinely conflicted individuals.
Personally, I don’t give a fuck one way or the other - so to speak.

 

[Saint-Just]

I think, if you want to live as a woman or a man or a donkey I will respect that, I will even use the pronoun of your choice.
I also think as Mac does that whatever your choice of gender, taking medical services away from somebody who has a genuine need just to make you feel good about yourself is not acceptable.

... Furthermore, there is fuck all a gynaecologist knows, or can do anything about something wrong with a prostate or a pair of testes.

 

[Beachlover]

... Furthermore, there is fuck all a gynaecologist knows, or can do anything about something wrong with a prostate or a pair of testes.

Other than save the story for the next mess dinner and snigger.

 

[MaC]

There's a huge elephant in the room about the use of puberty blockers on children who have decided that they are in the 'wrong' body.

Archaeologically we can recognise the bones of the castrati in the graves.
They are very strange, oddly stretched and bird like. Tall but wide hipped, skinny shanks, etc.,

But to say that very real and clearly researched and validated information, gets academics attacked as spouting hate speech.
Medical researchers have it even worse.

The reality is that sex is determined at conception, not at birth. At birth it is assigned on the basis of physical presentation. Now we can do dna testing and that's very black and white.....and we can't change XX to XY to XXY or vice versa.

To live differently from your physical sex is entirely up to the individual, but I wonder just how many vulnerable youngsters are pressured into something that is really not them while they are simply questioning in the throes of youth.

I thought that puberty blockers would give them time to mature, but the reality is that those very drugs are themselves not necessarily benign.
I think my biggest issue is that rational discussion appears to be impossible in the present climate of screaming claims of hate speech....especially when those doing so don't see that their own bias is also hate speech.

I'm getting too old to be politcally correct

 

[5teep]

I'm getting too old to be politcally correct

Fist bump!

 

[BorderReiver]

... Furthermore, there is fuck all a gynaecologist knows, or can do anything about something wrong with a prostate or a pair of testes.

I know a consultant gynaecologist who knows all about men's bits, she used to have a set of her own.

 

[BorderReiver]

Climate destruction, fossil fuels, overpopulation, coruption, poverty, wars and genocide, epidemic diseases and that’s just to name a few things really worth addressing.
Having just had this very conversation with my window cleaner, we decided that the whole gender thing is pretty much at the bottom of any list of real issues faced by today’s world and agreed that as long as another human being is a decent one who treats those around them decently, with compassion and understanding that neither of us care a fig whether they pretend to be the opposite gender to their genes or even claim to be a chicken.
The real issue is exactly the same one that faces every group in society in that any and every group contains egocentric, publicity and attention seeking loons. Gender is just flavour of the month for now and attracts other nutjobs from other marginal groups that undermine the cause of any genuinely conflicted individuals.
Personally, I don’t give a fuck one way or the other - so to speak.

My thoughts almost exactly. The gender identifying thing is a huge deal, to the human being concerned, but has no relevance to our wider society. The MSM, especially the foreign, non UK resident or taxpaying billionaire owned lot, can't resist egging on the prurient frontal cortex challenged minority with the loudest voices.

 

[Saint-Just]

I know a consultant gynaecologist who knows all about men's bits, she used to have a set of her own.

Actually, she doesn't. unless she studied to be an andrologist first. That's the thing really: the gender/biological sex of the specialist is irrelevant, the specialty written on their diploma isn't.

 

[Saint-Just]

I have no problem with gender neutral toilets for example, on the condition that there are at least 2 and that the doors to the bathroom itself can be locked, not just the cubicle.

 

[MaC]

I have no problem with gender neutral toilets for example, on the condition that there are at least 2 and that the doors to the bathroom itself can be locked, not just the cubicle.

There are issues with that though; I know a lady who claims she was gang raped in a public toilet and that no one came to help because the outer door was locked.
The lady was/is ? a drug addict though, and sometimes her traumas are more than visceral.

I hate seeing a male gynaecologist. It's a just squick 'no' thing. To find one 'hidden' as a transwoman would be an utter nightmare for many women.

There are no easy answers, but I believe that rational discussion would help. Unfortunately irrationality and ranting abuse appears to be the order of the day :sigh:

 

[5teep]

I have no problem with gender neutral toilets for example, on the condition that there are at least 2 and that the doors to the bathroom itself can be locked, not just the cubicle.

Individal (lockable obvsly) unisex restrooms with a toilet and a sink.

 

[Saint-Just]

There are issues with that though; I know a lady who claims she was gang raped in a public toilet and that no one came to help because the outer door was locked.
The lady was/is ? a drug addict though, and sometimes her traumas are more than visceral.

Individal (lockable obvsly) unisex restrooms with a toilet and a sink.

That is precisely why I wrote what I wrote: by locking the bathroom door itself a woman can ensure no one will enter the space when she is in the cubicle. The door must not be itself in a private space because people could come in while she is "freshening up". If they are already inside when she comes in, gendered bathroom would not be safer. Think of it as a being a guest in someone's home, you don't want to go in an en-suite if it's not yours but you can safely go to the bathroom.

 

[bushwacker]

He had a nice pair of moobs

 

[Jaggededge]

Me too.

 

[ElThomsono]

Here's what I've been reading to my boy.

The trans thing doesn't bother me, there will always be the odd lunatic doing daft shit but you might as well file them under people expecting state pension for their cat.

And those that actually do undergo gender realignment have an exceptional low regret rate, especially when you compare it to something mundane like knee surgery. An interesting abstract I read recently was that people who have limbs amputated often get phantom limb syndrome, and the majority of poor bastards that lose their penis to cancer get phantom penis syndrome. Those that have their penis voluntarily amputated get much lower rates of this, as their brain really is wired differently and just doesn't expect to see it there.

 

[Jaggededge]

I often get phantom penis syndrome in this weather.

 

[BorderReiver]

Actually, she doesn't. unless she studied to be an andrologist first. That's the thing really: the gender/biological sex of the specialist is irrelevant, the specialty written on their diploma isn't.

Sorry, that was a poor joke. She was a very good genecologist though.

 

[Templogin]

I was born into the wrong body. This one is far too baggy and mishapen.

When I was working an FOI request came over my desk asking about chest-feeding provision. It was one of those FOI requests that made me think that we ought to be able to charge for answering them.