BorderReiver
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Had to be Naarfuk.
In the news today....
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Tragic for anyone who was on that bridge.
That ship looks to be completely out of control. Think they would drop anchor.
Saint-Just
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Fully laden like it was, possibly with the current, the chances to stop a ship like that on anchor are virtually nil unless you can run a very long chain. The reason I believe she was going with the current is that as long as a ship goes faster than the water she sails, she remains manoeuvrable and even with loss of propulsion could have stirred away from the pillar.
I hope she sounded her horn throughout the incident. I am surprised there wasn’t a system for emergency closure of the bridge. The coming hours /days will probably clarify the chain of events.
Beachlover
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Seems it was loss of power and a mayday issued to enable closure of the bridge. Still lots of questions, but amazingly and thankfully low loss of life.
Saint-Just
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It's certainly what I'd do on the yachts I sailed, but the largest was a 50 footer. And unless there are rocks at the bottom, the anchor would still act as a plough; the size of anchors are nowhere big enough (or the chain strong enough to hold a ship on their own: what does the job is the length (and therefore weight) of chain that you run, that acts as a weight without pulling on the anchor until all the chain has been lifted from the seabed that stops the ship.
ElThomsono
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There's always a fair whack of spare chain next to the Sandbanks chain ferry, somehow it never gets nicked.
ElThomsono
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Picture was gubbed?
Saint-Just
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The Dali was 111,000 dwt...
The fall out is going to be significant. Huge insurance payment coming.
Andylaser
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Stange how all the lights go out, followed by a huge plume of black smoke. Points to something bad happening in the engine room. Dropping the anchor wouldnt make much difference with that headway. Maybe if you had a couple of miles or so but a 50 ton weight wont make much difference to that amount of inertia. It would be like trying to stop a dog with a couple of tins of beans tied to its tail.
There are probably a few squeaky bums in the insurance industry as payout is going to be in the epic range.
There are probably a few squeaky bums in the insurance industry as payout is going to be in the epic range.
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Saint-Just
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An illustration of the box ticking exercise that is "dropping the anchor" when close to an obstacle
BorderReiver
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Hey, it stopped didn't it?
They had a lot more time on the Dali. In any case there are always teams closed up on the forecastle to drop anchors in case of an emergency in close quarters to hazards - entering and exiting ports etc. You can see on the AIS track that they were trying to scrub speed and every little helps. I have read that they did drop the port anchor.
Saw this advert last night from the tories. Totally surreal. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised? The decline in British politics over the last 10 years would be unbelievable if I hadn't watched it happen.
Saint-Just
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They had more time (not a lot) but they were going faster, and there was a current that did not exist in the Indian example above. I read about the port anchor too.
I am not sure I can interpret the AIS with any certainty. It appears it lost power completely for a while, then the lights come back and then there is a big puff of black smoke, as if the engines had restarted. Presumably that is where they could steer again but those don't exactly spin on a
A possibility I read is that when the ship went dark they went full astern (the plume of smoke), and the transverse thrust turned them into the collision. Might have been better off doing nothing...That was from a Master Mariner with experience on large container ships.
Beachlover
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Meanwhile back to serious issues at home.
ElThomsono
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Just been browsing their Twitter, which had this gem. Good old Strong and Stable conservatives.
Saint-Just
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There is a saying in French: "Un clou chasse l'autre" (a nail drives another out), which is often quoted in this context as "un clown chasse l'autre" (a clown replaces another) because of the relative homophony of the 2 words
I honestly don't know how the Tories are going to fare in the next election. Prince Sunak maybe the future. But that ad is hilarious, Greg. Where the fuck is the narrator supposed to be from.
I'd say as much, but that would mean joining Twitter and getting a permanent headache.
I'd say as much, but that would mean joining Twitter and getting a permanent headache.