CRKT Symmetry

[Nice65]

Luckily all Stanley knives will be banned as they’re serrated and over 8”…oh hang on.

 

[MaC]

Aye. They're in every toolbox in the land too
Just don't carry them in Lanarkshire....or Ayrshire it seems.

 

[Greg]

Aye. They're in every toolbox in the land too
Just don't carry them in Lanarkshire....or Ayrshire it seems.

…if you have a history of violent knife crime, or are in breach of your bail conditions

 

[MaC]

Those two incidences, yes, you are correct....but knowing that this is the way that they're viewed, would you carry one around with you ? or even leave it in the car ?
Those are the latest two, knife crime here is an issue. It is improving, but it's still an issue.

I saw an apprentice refused a set of chisels at a checkout in B&Q in Motherwell (town up the hill from Hamilton) a few years back. He couldn't prove he was over 18. His foreman came to the desk and said he'd buy them, but the cashier refused saying that obviously he was going to give them to the 'child'.
I jest you not, it happened right there in front of me. It was a piece of nonsense, complete and utter nonsense.

 

[5teep]

Those two incidences, yes, you are correct....but knowing that this is the way that they're viewed, would you carry one around with you ? or even leave it in the car ?
Those are the latest two, knife crime here is an issue. It is improving, but it's still an issue.

I saw an apprentice refused a set of chisels at a checkout in B&Q in Motherwell (town up the hill from Hamilton) a few years back. He couldn't prove he was over 18. His foreman came to the desk and said he'd buy them, but the cashier refused saying that obviously he was going to give them to the 'child'.
I jest you not, it happened right there in front of me. It was a piece of nonsense, complete and utter nonsense.

Issues there are, the staff member is I believe legally responsible if they get it wrong and shop staff don't get paid enough to care/take the risk, no matter what shop they work in.

 

[Oldtimer]

I always feel mildly offended when shop assistants don't check when I buy age restricted goods. I may be 81 but I don't like being reminded that I look it.

 

[ElThomsono]

Maybe they've got you down as a thug and just don't want the aggro?

 

[Beachlover]

I always feel mildly offended when shop assistants don't check when I buy age restricted goods. I may be 81 but I don't like being reminded that I look it.

On the plus side, we are less likely to be randomly stopped and searched, are usually seen as witnesses rather than perpetrators and if all else fails, we can claim senility.

 

[5teep]

I always feel mildly offended when shop assistants don't check when I buy age restricted goods. I may be 81 but I don't like being reminded that I look it.

In my late forties I went to the local Highland Games, at the gate the ticket seller asked "concession?" I didn't know what they meant but said yes anyway. It was only when I got inside I realised I had not paid full price, they thought I was a pensioner (

 

[Oldtimer]

We had the reverse experience. On the Thames river boat that links Tate Britain and Tate Modern we paid the full price and only realised that there was an OAP concession when the ticket collector applied it to a couple sitting near us without asking. We had just entered our 70s at the time. We had to show our bus passes before we were given the discount.

It must be Madame's youthful appearance. I was once challenged in a Portsmouth pub when getting her a scotch and accused of buying a drink for someone under-age: she was 27 at the time.

 

[BorderReiver]

Works at the other end too; a group of us yoof were up in Edinburgh in a pub and we sent the only lad who was legal to buy alcohol up to the bar and they sent him packing.

 

[MaC]

It was the custom of the 'office girls' in Glasgow in the 1970's to go and give blood on their 18th birthday. That wasn't altruistic, but in those days the Blood transfusion service issued wee identity cards, and one could use them to 'prove' that you were old enough to get into the pubs and to buy booze, and to drink legally. Only passports were better than a BTS card, but no one carried those around. The card is a neat wee folded thing, easy to slip into a handbag.
I still have mine

Edit....not mine, card images blatantly stolen from eBay.

 

[Kiri]

It was the custom of the 'office girls' in Glasgow in the 1970's to go and give blood on their 18th birthday. That wasn't altruistic, but in those days the Blood transfusion service issued wee identity cards, and one could use them to 'prove' that you were old enough to get into the pubs and to buy booze, and to drink legally. Only passports were better than a BTS card, but no one carried those around. The card is a neat wee folded thing, easy to slip into a handbag.
I still have mine

That was still a tradition when I turned 18 in the 80s. They didn’t give the ID card, but the received wisdom was that you then went out drinking afterwards and because you had just given blood you got wasted much more easily! 😊

 

[MaC]

Reading the news tonight brought this thread to mind.

Police have tasered a knife wielding boy in Ayr.
He was eleven years old.

Boy, 11, Tasered by police after knife stand-off in South Ayrshire

Officers used a stun gun on the boy after being called to a caravan park in South Ayrshire.

www.bbc.co.uk

Aye, indeed.

 

[ElThomsono]

I always hate the misuse of the word wielding in these articles, reporters ought to go back to using brandishing.

 

[Beachlover]

Reading the news tonight brought this thread to mind.

Police have tasered a knife wielding boy in Ayr.
He was eleven years old.

Boy, 11, Tasered by police after knife stand-off in South Ayrshire

Officers used a stun gun on the boy after being called to a caravan park in South Ayrshire.

www.bbc.co.uk

Aye, indeed.

The problem is we never hear the salient details. There are 11 year old children and 11 year old arseholes who probably need more than tasering. There is however, the worrying tendency of the police to now see themselves as a paramilitary force that resorts only too easily to violence as opposed to negotiation and peaceful resolution. In a previous life I trained negotiators and while the public stance was that this was the preferred option, it became increasingly clear as the years wore on that the negotiator was employed solely to bide time while the snipers and deliberate action by armed police or army was in place.
On a bit of a tangent that might make me sound a bit of conspiracy nut, I can't help but think the increasingly restrictive firearm, airgun and knife laws are motivated not only by the usual "make 'em afraid and dependent" philosophy, but also because of a growing worry that the serfs may uprise given the multiple real and imagined woes people in the UK are facing.

 

[MaC]

I think you're right about the eleven year olds...takes some gallusness to face off the polis with a knife when you're just eleven though.

I feel the Police are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't, kind of thing.

Tasering an eleven year old though, even if he was being a total fundamental orifice, there's no way that wasn't going to raise questions.

Right enough the first one a lot of folks are going to ask (especially here) is what was an eleven year old doing with a 'knife' in the first place ? secondly, who bought it for him ? and then they'll think to ask what was the Policeman thinking when he tasered a wee boy ?

 

[ElThomsono]

I think you're right about the eleven year olds...takes some gallusness to face off the polis with a knife when you're just eleven though.

I feel the Police are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Damned if they do and damned if they don't, kind of thing.

Tasering an eleven year old though, even if he was being a total fundamental orifice, there's no way that wasn't going to raise questions.

Right enough the first one a lot of folks are going to ask (especially here) is what was an eleven year old doing with a 'knife' in the first place ? secondly, who bought it for him ? and then they'll think to ask what was the Policeman thinking when he tasered a wee boy ?

The knife was lifted from the kitchen, a completely unstoppable act?

 

[MaC]

Except, every kid in the land knows it's illegal.
So the Police are on those horns of dilemma again.

I don't know the answer to eleven year olds feeling they 'need' a knife when out in the dark....unless they're bushcrafty type kids, and at eleven years old I'd expect an adult with them.

I have friends whose sons did carry knives at that age, in Motherwell, and another in Hamilton, years ago before there was the pogrom, and they did it because every other lad was doing it.
Not surprising that one of my friends is the one of two in his class in school that hasn't spent time in prison.
Knife assaults were so bad here for a bit nearby that it was called the murder capital of Europe. Our police wear stab vests, not bullet proof ones.

Hardly something to be either proud of or complacent about.

I still can't get my head around them tasering an eleven year old.

 

[Andylaser]

I am guessing bribing him to drop the knife with a copy of the Beano and a Mars bar didnt work.
Obviously they cant let him run off with a blade, so someone has to do something difficult and will be judged on their actions. I am pretty sure he wont do that again though.

 

[MaC]

Or it establishes his reputation as a hard man....which is hard (no pun intended) to break out of re expectations.

I know of a group of young teenagers who were sent abroad as part of a cultural exchange programme with other European cities.
Problem is that they took 'their culture' with them....which in this case was inner city Glasgow fundamental orifices.
Their behaviour was a nightmare for the organisers. A mixed group of European teenagers and this crew beat up two lads, stole from others, vandalised quarters, bullied both staff and other kids, had a go with a knife on another, got drunk and stoned, and the only thing that finally drew their mayhem to a halt, was Romanian (might have been Hungarian, pretty sure it was R. though) policemen with guns.
They had them on their knees, hands behind their heads and guns at the nape of their necks.
Finally someone was really prepared to deal with them.

They came back home heroes :(
It's a different mindset.

 

[MaC]

Anyway, back to the OT and all that.
Has anyone bought one ?

 

[Nice65]

Anyway, back to the OT and all that.
Has anyone bought one ?

It’s not for me, that type of design. I like front flippers, they always look sleek because they don’t have any protrusions.

If I was going that route, then I’d be looking at Civivi or Petrified Fish. Here’s the Civivi Exarch.

 

[Andylaser]

Whats the legal situation on flippers now? Werent they added to the banned list after the last round of "fuck you".

 

[Nice65]

Whats the legal situation on flippers now? Werent they added to the banned list after the last round of "fuck you".

MaCs pic is from Heinnies where it’s in the UK legal edc listings.

Looking again at the Symetry I realise it’s the inlay that doesn’t appeal, I’ve never liked it on knives. Ruined many Sebenzas IMO.

Put some sculpted G10 on it and I’d be interested.